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[QUOTE=Sandbag-I would think they are refering to denatured alcohol (methanol) available at hardware stores across the US.
^Tips and a little safety info...make sure everything is well ventilated...this is how people blow themselves up and make tweakers look like special-ed chemists^

PS. Feel free to ask if something is unclear...I'll do my best to put it in layman's terms and if I can't I know there are others who can.

PPS. Mods, if this is too close to posting a synth procedure feel free to edit/delete my post. I could just PM her a link or two or something instead.[/QUOTE]

Minor correction: hardware alcohol is usually ethanol, with a bit of methanol to denature it, and substantial water. One is better off using "Heet" (dry gas) which is pretty pure methanol. Still needs to be dried.

Your safety points are very well taken. Acetone is as flammable as fuck.

fasteddie said:
08-06-2007 00:22
Quote Originally Posted by NikkiNumberNine
Thank you Sandbag, that helps a lot! You rock.

I also don't want to post anything I should not, and I was hoping that asking to have something that's in the BL FAQ clarified would be OK.

If it's not, then obviously the mods can delete it, and I won't be pissy, although I'll be disappointed. I do value the information that I get from here...
A wash with dry acetone is the easiest thing to do. It'll get rid of lots of toxins that are...well, even worse for you than meth.

If you want to get into recrystallizing things, by all means play around...but unless you're working with a lot of gear, expect significant losses.
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NikkiNumberNine said:
08-06-2007 00:46
I have an eight-ball, less about 2 lines, which is what it took me to decide that I had crap meth that wasn't worth doing.

Ok, maybe I'll try the dry acetone wash. This is not my idea of a good time, at all, but I may as well try it.
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NikkiNumberNine said:
08-06-2007 01:13
Quote Originally Posted by fasteddie
Minor correction: hardware alcohol is usually ethanol, with a bit of methanol to denature it, and substantial water. One is better off using "Heet" (dry gas) which is pretty pure methanol. Still needs to be dried.
Ok, I googled "Heet", so now I know what that is. You put in car gas tanks, so I assume it's a liquid, and you seem to be saying I have to dry it first? How does one do that?

fasteddie said:
08-06-2007 05:00
Get some epsom salts (magnesium sulfate heptahydrate) and put it in a pie plate. Spread it out. Put it in the oven and turn it on HIGH.

(here's yer optional Chem Lesson...MgSO4, MW = 120; 7 [hepta....get it?]H2O that's 7 times 18 (18 being the MW of H2O = water) = 126. That means that there's more WATER in the damn Epsom salts than there is Mag Sulfate)

It will partly liquify...get all bubbly...thats normal. Keep heating it. Bake the shit outta it.

At the end it'll turn into a, like, ROCK. This is magnesium sulfate, anhydrous. Powder that shit up.

Get some nice little brown, narrow mouthed bottles. Put some of your powdered magnesium sulfate, anhydrous, in each. (let it cool, first!) Now, fill one of the the bottles up with your HEET, and the other with some of that hardware store acetone. Shake them up, a few times...let em settle...that will take a couple hours.

Now, you have DRY methanol and DRY acetone.

Extinguish all cigarettes. Take your crank, wash it first with the acetone. If it's "peanut butter" crank, there'll be little dirt bombs of shit, mush them up.
it'll look like a fucking MIRACLE. All the brown waxy crap will dissolve....leaving a snowstorm of the purest of the pure. Filter it. What stays in the filter is what you want. Dry the product (the best way is to get a little saucer, put it on top of a little bowl of HOT water...leave it in a well ventilated area till there's no more acetone smell. What you have now will be LOTS better than what you started with. The acetone, that came through the filter...it's CRAP. Flush it down the toilet.

Not good enough? OK. Take your purified product, dissolve it in the dried HEET. There's stuff that don't dissolve? Then, filter again. This time, keep what comes through the filter. The stuff that stays in the filter....it's BUNK, toss it.

Now, take that stuff that comes through the filter, the HEET solution (now you're a chemist, let's call it by its right name, methanol) and evaporate it, SLOWLY. In a well ventilated area - methanol is poisonous. It won't leave poison in your gear, just make sure it all evaporates. Be patient...let it be...then, watch the crystal magic. Once it's ALL evaporated, do just one more acetone wash. Keep the stuff in the filter. Dry it, as described above.

Now, go for it!

Now, you're not some clueless rube, suckin' down what some dealer gives you.

Now, you're hip.

Now, you can look at what "came back"; armed with that knowledge, you can go to your dealer and say, if it's lots less than you started with:

BULLSHIT, MOTHERFUCKER! That last stuff you sold me
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[QUOTE=Sandbag-I would think they are refering to denatured alcohol (methanol) available at hardware stores across the US.^Tips and a little safety info...make sure everything is well ventilated...this is how people blow themselves up and make tweakers look like special-ed chemists^PS. Feel free to ask if something is unclear...I'll do my best to put it in layman's terms and if I can't I know there are others who can. PPS. Mods, if this is too close to posting a synth procedure feel free to edit/delete my post. I could just PM her a link or two or something instead.[/QUOTE]Minor correction: hardware alcohol is usually ethanol, with a bit of methanol to denature it, and substantial water. One is better off using "Heet" (dry gas) which is pretty pure methanol. Still needs to be dried.Your safety points are very well taken. Acetone is as flammable as fuck. fasteddie said:08-06-2007 00:22Quote Originally Posted by NikkiNumberNineThank you Sandbag, that helps a lot! You rock. I also don't want to post anything I should not, and I was hoping that asking to have something that's in the BL FAQ clarified would be OK. If it's not, then obviously the mods can delete it, and I won't be pissy, although I'll be disappointed. I do value the information that I get from here...A wash with dry acetone is the easiest thing to do. It'll get rid of lots of toxins that are...well, even worse for you than meth.If you want to get into recrystallizing things, by all means play around...but unless you're working with a lot of gear, expect significant losses. NikkiNumberNine's AvatarNikkiNumberNine said:08-06-2007 00:46I have an eight-ball, less about 2 lines, which is what it took me to decide that I had crap meth that wasn't worth doing.Ok, maybe I'll try the dry acetone wash. This is not my idea of a good time, at all, but I may as well try it. NikkiNumberNine's AvatarNikkiNumberNine said:08-06-2007 01:13Quote Originally Posted by fasteddieMinor correction: hardware alcohol is usually ethanol, with a bit of methanol to denature it, and substantial water. One is better off using "Heet" (dry gas) which is pretty pure methanol. Still needs to be dried.Ok, I googled "Heet", so now I know what that is. You put in car gas tanks, so I assume it's a liquid, and you seem to be saying I have to dry it first? How does one do that? fasteddie said:08-06-2007 05:00Get some epsom salts (magnesium sulfate heptahydrate) and put it in a pie plate. Spread it out. Put it in the oven and turn it on HIGH.(here's yer optional Chem Lesson...MgSO4, MW = 120; 7 [hepta....get it?]H2O that's 7 times 18 (18 being the MW of H2O = water) = 126. That means that there's more WATER in the damn Epsom salts than there is Mag Sulfate)It will partly liquify...get all bubbly...thats normal. Keep heating it. Bake the shit outta it.
At the end it'll turn into a, like, ROCK. This is magnesium sulfate, anhydrous. Powder that shit up.

Get some nice little brown, narrow mouthed bottles. Put some of your powdered magnesium sulfate, anhydrous, in each. (let it cool, first!) Now, fill one of the the bottles up with your HEET, and the other with some of that hardware store acetone. Shake them up, a few times...let em settle...that will take a couple hours.

Now, you have DRY methanol and DRY acetone.

Extinguish all cigarettes. Take your crank, wash it first with the acetone. If it's "peanut butter" crank, there'll be little dirt bombs of shit, mush them up.
it'll look like a fucking MIRACLE. All the brown waxy crap will dissolve....leaving a snowstorm of the purest of the pure. Filter it. What stays in the filter is what you want. Dry the product (the best way is to get a little saucer, put it on top of a little bowl of HOT water...leave it in a well ventilated area till there's no more acetone smell. What you have now will be LOTS better than what you started with. The acetone, that came through the filter...it's CRAP. Flush it down the toilet.

Not good enough? OK. Take your purified product, dissolve it in the dried HEET. There's stuff that don't dissolve? Then, filter again. This time, keep what comes through the filter. The stuff that stays in the filter....it's BUNK, toss it.

Now, take that stuff that comes through the filter, the HEET solution (now you're a chemist, let's call it by its right name, methanol) and evaporate it, SLOWLY. In a well ventilated area - methanol is poisonous. It won't leave poison in your gear, just make sure it all evaporates. Be patient...let it be...then, watch the crystal magic. Once it's ALL evaporated, do just one more acetone wash. Keep the stuff in the filter. Dry it, as described above.

Now, go for it!

Now, you're not some clueless rube, suckin' down what some dealer gives you.

Now, you're hip.

Now, you can look at what "came back"; armed with that knowledge, you can go to your dealer and say, if it's lots less than you started with:

BULLSHIT, MOTHERFUCKER! That last stuff you sold me
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